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		<title>Comment on Conundrum by Jonathan Goff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Goff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2012 21:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug,
I&#039;m glad I&#039;m not the only one who knows that joke.  :-)
~Jon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug,<br />
I&#8217;m glad I&#8217;m not the only one who knows that joke.  <img src='http://selenianboondocks.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
~Jon</p>
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		<title>Comment on Conundrum by Doug Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2012 21:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Break&#039;s over! Back on your heads!</description>
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		<title>Comment on Conundrum by Marcus Zottl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcus Zottl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 10:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your situation sounds so very familiar. I do this again, and again, and again. Can&#039;t seem to learn from this particular mistake...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your situation sounds so very familiar. I do this again, and again, and again. Can&#8217;t seem to learn from this particular mistake&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Conundrum by Dave Huntsman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Huntsman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 23:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon, I recently re-watched Dreamcatcher,  a Steven King movie I liked.  One of the phrases in it was from a child:  &quot;Scooby Dooby Doo, we got some work to do now.....&quot;!   GO FOR IT!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon, I recently re-watched Dreamcatcher,  a Steven King movie I liked.  One of the phrases in it was from a child:  &#8220;Scooby Dooby Doo, we got some work to do now&#8230;..&#8221;!   GO FOR IT!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Conundrum by Ben Brockert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Brockert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 19:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://chronicle.com/article/How-to-ProcrastinateStill/93959

In short, you need to find something more important to not do, so that the proposals are a form of procrastination.</description>
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<p>In short, you need to find something more important to not do, so that the proposals are a form of procrastination.</p>
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		<title>Comment on No Blogging Today by Ben Brockert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Brockert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2012 22:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ITYM &quot;In protest of SOPA/PIPA, I’m not going to do any blog posts in the last two months.&quot;

:-D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ITYM &#8220;In protest of SOPA/PIPA, I’m not going to do any blog posts in the last two months.&#8221;</p>
<p> <img src='http://selenianboondocks.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on No Blogging Today by Adam G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2012 19:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In solidarity with your protest, I will only leave this one comment on this post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In solidarity with your protest, I will only leave this one comment on this post.</p>
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		<title>Comment on I Have a Blog?  Woah&#8230; by Ed Minchau</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Minchau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 05:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tooting the horn of a Selenian Boondocks contributor, Kirk Sorensen&#039;s TEDxYYC talk is now online.

http://www.ted.com/talks/kirk_sorensen_thorium_an_alternative_nuclear_fuel.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tooting the horn of a Selenian Boondocks contributor, Kirk Sorensen&#8217;s TEDxYYC talk is now online.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ted.com/talks/kirk_sorensen_thorium_an_alternative_nuclear_fuel.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ted.com/talks/kirk_sorensen_thorium_an_alternative_nuclear_fuel.html</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Boom-Rendezvous: A Path Not-Yet Taken by Chris Phoenix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Phoenix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 04:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As long as we&#039;re being inventive, I don&#039;t see why we need all of the links from the two spacecraft to be booms of similar type.

The boom is at least semi-rigid in 6 DOF (perhaps least so in torsion around its axis, at least for STEM types). But even with a lightweight connector on the end, you won&#039;t be able to move it laterally very quickly once you have it out to 100 meters, and stopping its whip oscillations would be an interesting control problem.

So it looks to me like you want one long stiff boom (from one side only) which can be shot toward the approximate location of the target spacecraft. Then, you want a much lighter-weight and shorter boom from the target spacecraft. Once contact is made between the lightweight boom and the stiff boom, the lightweight boom can be retracted all the way to its spacecraft, thus making a stiff connection between the stiff boom and the target spacecraft.

(In an extreme version of this, the lightweight booms wouldn&#039;t be booms at all, but ropes with free-flying remote-controlled microthruster pods. But I digress.)

If the stiff boom is on-orbit permanently, then its length does not need to be variable. It can simply be left extended, pushed back and forth through a gimbaled ring for 3DOF positioning. At that point, you can think about using something like NASA&#039;s SAILMAST for the boom: http://nmp.nasa.gov/st8/tech/sailmast_tech1.html 

Sailmast is impressive: very stiff in 6 DOF, and 35 grams per meter. If you had a direct spacecraft-to-spacecraft connection with Sailmast, you probably would not need a second boom. Which is good, because if you have trouble stopping relative rotation with one boom, you&#039;ll probably have even trouble with two similar booms. Once you have two booms connected, if you don&#039;t stop rotation within the first half-spin, then the booms will twist up in a very weak and probably destructive configuration. (Don&#039;t cross the booms!)

A permanently-extended boom would, of course, extend beyond the docking adapter, but it wouldn&#039;t need a whole lot of angular room to swing in. Or, it looks like a partially-deployed Sailmast is stiff for all but the last meter or so, so you might be able to extend and retract it usefully, with the force-transfer points a meter from the coil, as long as you don&#039;t extend it fully and let it snap into its locked-extended configuration.

A separate question: I don&#039;t understand why it would be useful for the main tether to be able to pull with more force than it can push. If you start the spacecraft moving with a forceful pull, you&#039;d better be able to stop them with a forceful push. In theory, you could pull hard on a long boom, then wait till it got close, and when the boom was short enough to be stiff, give it a hard push to stop it. But that seems overly risky. (I&#039;m remembering the line from Heinlein&#039;s _The Rolling Stones_: &quot;He started it with a pull; he thought he could stop it with a shove. They had to amputate both his legs, but they saved his life.&quot;)

Chris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as we&#8217;re being inventive, I don&#8217;t see why we need all of the links from the two spacecraft to be booms of similar type.</p>
<p>The boom is at least semi-rigid in 6 DOF (perhaps least so in torsion around its axis, at least for STEM types). But even with a lightweight connector on the end, you won&#8217;t be able to move it laterally very quickly once you have it out to 100 meters, and stopping its whip oscillations would be an interesting control problem.</p>
<p>So it looks to me like you want one long stiff boom (from one side only) which can be shot toward the approximate location of the target spacecraft. Then, you want a much lighter-weight and shorter boom from the target spacecraft. Once contact is made between the lightweight boom and the stiff boom, the lightweight boom can be retracted all the way to its spacecraft, thus making a stiff connection between the stiff boom and the target spacecraft.</p>
<p>(In an extreme version of this, the lightweight booms wouldn&#8217;t be booms at all, but ropes with free-flying remote-controlled microthruster pods. But I digress.)</p>
<p>If the stiff boom is on-orbit permanently, then its length does not need to be variable. It can simply be left extended, pushed back and forth through a gimbaled ring for 3DOF positioning. At that point, you can think about using something like NASA&#8217;s SAILMAST for the boom: <a href="http://nmp.nasa.gov/st8/tech/sailmast_tech1.html" rel="nofollow">http://nmp.nasa.gov/st8/tech/sailmast_tech1.html</a> </p>
<p>Sailmast is impressive: very stiff in 6 DOF, and 35 grams per meter. If you had a direct spacecraft-to-spacecraft connection with Sailmast, you probably would not need a second boom. Which is good, because if you have trouble stopping relative rotation with one boom, you&#8217;ll probably have even trouble with two similar booms. Once you have two booms connected, if you don&#8217;t stop rotation within the first half-spin, then the booms will twist up in a very weak and probably destructive configuration. (Don&#8217;t cross the booms!)</p>
<p>A permanently-extended boom would, of course, extend beyond the docking adapter, but it wouldn&#8217;t need a whole lot of angular room to swing in. Or, it looks like a partially-deployed Sailmast is stiff for all but the last meter or so, so you might be able to extend and retract it usefully, with the force-transfer points a meter from the coil, as long as you don&#8217;t extend it fully and let it snap into its locked-extended configuration.</p>
<p>A separate question: I don&#8217;t understand why it would be useful for the main tether to be able to pull with more force than it can push. If you start the spacecraft moving with a forceful pull, you&#8217;d better be able to stop them with a forceful push. In theory, you could pull hard on a long boom, then wait till it got close, and when the boom was short enough to be stiff, give it a hard push to stop it. But that seems overly risky. (I&#8217;m remembering the line from Heinlein&#8217;s _The Rolling Stones_: &#8220;He started it with a pull; he thought he could stop it with a shove. They had to amputate both his legs, but they saved his life.&#8221;)</p>
<p>Chris</p>
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		<title>Comment on Tooting Someone Else&#8217;s Horn: Quest Product Development Corp&#8217;s Advanced MLI Technologies by Googaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Googaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Dec 2011 19:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thermal control is a very important problem in spacecraft and it&#039;s great to see people working on better ways to do it. 

One problem I&#039;d like to see addressed: MLI works better if at least some of the layers are sealed, but spacecraft makers have to purposefully poke holes in the layers because it would trap air and balloon when exposed to vacuum.  Suggestion: as long as we&#039;re micro-molding, let&#039;s mold microvalves and embed them in the insulating layers.  After the pressure difference has been reduced to zero, the valves should close themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thermal control is a very important problem in spacecraft and it&#8217;s great to see people working on better ways to do it. </p>
<p>One problem I&#8217;d like to see addressed: MLI works better if at least some of the layers are sealed, but spacecraft makers have to purposefully poke holes in the layers because it would trap air and balloon when exposed to vacuum.  Suggestion: as long as we&#8217;re micro-molding, let&#8217;s mold microvalves and embed them in the insulating layers.  After the pressure difference has been reduced to zero, the valves should close themselves.</p>
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