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		<title>By: john hare</title>
		<link>http://selenianboondocks.com/2009/08/crazy-idea-319-ejectorinjector-tribrid/comment-page-1/#comment-5480</link>
		<dc:creator>john hare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 09:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Habitat Hermit
I hadn&#039;t seen that site before, seems interesting at first glance. I&#039;ll check it out when I have more time.  Actually I have mostly dismissed solids out of hand until the recent Griffenschaft thoughts.

Axel
I think your objections are quite valid. They would be the basis of any reasonable investigation of the concept.

Eric
Your third suggestion is the one I see. The venturi section was sort of supposed to represent sonic flow. Below the venturi, the flow slows down for pressure recovery. The slowing as the area widens is also the injection plane since there are no formal injectors. The flow through the lower chamber will be higher velocity than normal because of the high speed hot gas-gas injection. The lower chamber restriction will be neccesary to create the second sonic throat before expansion.

I appreciate the patience with my incomplete (and sometimes wrong) descriptions. I see the flow as subsonic in the solid chamber. Sonic in the venturi with the pressure drop to the lower chamber. Subsonic in the expanded lower chamber. Sonic again through the true throat. Supersonic through the expansion nozzle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Habitat Hermit<br />
I hadn&#8217;t seen that site before, seems interesting at first glance. I&#8217;ll check it out when I have more time.  Actually I have mostly dismissed solids out of hand until the recent Griffenschaft thoughts.</p>
<p>Axel<br />
I think your objections are quite valid. They would be the basis of any reasonable investigation of the concept.</p>
<p>Eric<br />
Your third suggestion is the one I see. The venturi section was sort of supposed to represent sonic flow. Below the venturi, the flow slows down for pressure recovery. The slowing as the area widens is also the injection plane since there are no formal injectors. The flow through the lower chamber will be higher velocity than normal because of the high speed hot gas-gas injection. The lower chamber restriction will be neccesary to create the second sonic throat before expansion.</p>
<p>I appreciate the patience with my incomplete (and sometimes wrong) descriptions. I see the flow as subsonic in the solid chamber. Sonic in the venturi with the pressure drop to the lower chamber. Subsonic in the expanded lower chamber. Sonic again through the true throat. Supersonic through the expansion nozzle.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Collins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 13:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok.  I&#039;ve probably spent way too much time pondering this concept, but it&#039;s been difficult to put out of my mind.  So, here is what I&#039;ve come up with.

If the solid exhaust is subsonic as it moves past the liquid fuel inlets, then the pressure in the exhaust gasses at that point must be less than that in the tanks/fuel lines.  So, high pressure in the solid combustion chamber must be reduced before it encounters the fuel injectors.  If the flow is constricted, like say through a venturi, then it will accelerate thus reducing the local pressure in accordance with Bernoulli&#039;s principle.  The liquid fuel then enters the exhaust stream and becomes entrained in the flow, though hopefully not combusting until they are carried downstream to the secondary chamber.  Unfortunately, I cannot currently see anyway to take advantage of the secondary combustion event with this configuration.  Any combustion will add energy to the fluid, which will increase the temperature and pressure of the flow as a result.  Since the flow is subsonic, the pressure wave will be able to find its way back upstream to the fuel injectors, and possibly as far back as the feed lines and tanks.  The gasses will always prefer to flow from higher pressure to lower, so the geometry of the secondary chamber will have to be designed to immediately relieve this pressure.  In my mind this implies that the secondary chamber will have to be an expansion nozzle.  Thus, leading to my previous comment about thrust augmented solids.

Now, there are a couple of possibilities for getting around this limitation without resorting to pumps.  The simplest conceptually, but possibly problematic in implementation, is to use the solid exhaust gases to drive a piston which increases the pressure in the liquid tanks.  This could be a direct pneumatic arrangement, which I&#039;m not sure could be made compact enough to be practical for a rocket.  Or, the heat of the solid exhaust could be transferred through a heat exchanger into a secondary fluid, which then expands (possibly by vaporizing) to provide additional pressurization to the liquid fuel tanks.

The other possibility is to use a nozzle on the solid exhaust to choke the flow and cause it to go sonic in the throat.  In this arrangement, I&#039;m imagining the liquid fuel inlets are like backward facing steps downstream of the sonic point in the nozzle.  As the Mach 1+ fluid passes the step, the flow stream will attempt to turn the corner, but if the maximum turn angle, as given by the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prandtl%E2%80%93Meyer_function&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Prandtl-Meyer function&lt;/a&gt; can be kept below 90 degrees, then there should be a small vortex generated in the corner of the step which could be used to entrain the liquid fuel into the passing exhaust gasses. (See also &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prandtl-Meyer_expansion_fan&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Prandtl-Meyer expansion fan&lt;/a&gt;.)

I am still not sure that the secondary combustion event can be sufficiently isolated from even this kind of injector design.  Perhaps I&#039;ll get my flow solver running on my laptop sometime in the near future and try to run a few tests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok.  I&#8217;ve probably spent way too much time pondering this concept, but it&#8217;s been difficult to put out of my mind.  So, here is what I&#8217;ve come up with.</p>
<p>If the solid exhaust is subsonic as it moves past the liquid fuel inlets, then the pressure in the exhaust gasses at that point must be less than that in the tanks/fuel lines.  So, high pressure in the solid combustion chamber must be reduced before it encounters the fuel injectors.  If the flow is constricted, like say through a venturi, then it will accelerate thus reducing the local pressure in accordance with Bernoulli&#8217;s principle.  The liquid fuel then enters the exhaust stream and becomes entrained in the flow, though hopefully not combusting until they are carried downstream to the secondary chamber.  Unfortunately, I cannot currently see anyway to take advantage of the secondary combustion event with this configuration.  Any combustion will add energy to the fluid, which will increase the temperature and pressure of the flow as a result.  Since the flow is subsonic, the pressure wave will be able to find its way back upstream to the fuel injectors, and possibly as far back as the feed lines and tanks.  The gasses will always prefer to flow from higher pressure to lower, so the geometry of the secondary chamber will have to be designed to immediately relieve this pressure.  In my mind this implies that the secondary chamber will have to be an expansion nozzle.  Thus, leading to my previous comment about thrust augmented solids.</p>
<p>Now, there are a couple of possibilities for getting around this limitation without resorting to pumps.  The simplest conceptually, but possibly problematic in implementation, is to use the solid exhaust gases to drive a piston which increases the pressure in the liquid tanks.  This could be a direct pneumatic arrangement, which I&#8217;m not sure could be made compact enough to be practical for a rocket.  Or, the heat of the solid exhaust could be transferred through a heat exchanger into a secondary fluid, which then expands (possibly by vaporizing) to provide additional pressurization to the liquid fuel tanks.</p>
<p>The other possibility is to use a nozzle on the solid exhaust to choke the flow and cause it to go sonic in the throat.  In this arrangement, I&#8217;m imagining the liquid fuel inlets are like backward facing steps downstream of the sonic point in the nozzle.  As the Mach 1+ fluid passes the step, the flow stream will attempt to turn the corner, but if the maximum turn angle, as given by the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prandtl%E2%80%93Meyer_function" rel="nofollow">Prandtl-Meyer function</a> can be kept below 90 degrees, then there should be a small vortex generated in the corner of the step which could be used to entrain the liquid fuel into the passing exhaust gasses. (See also <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prandtl-Meyer_expansion_fan" rel="nofollow">Prandtl-Meyer expansion fan</a>.)</p>
<p>I am still not sure that the secondary combustion event can be sufficiently isolated from even this kind of injector design.  Perhaps I&#8217;ll get my flow solver running on my laptop sometime in the near future and try to run a few tests.</p>
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		<title>By: Axel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Axel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 11:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good, for a crazy idea. It&#039;s fun to think about. Some comments did confuse me. What I basically understand is: you are considering to replace the turbo pump with a solid rocket driven ejector pump.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ejector_pump
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venturi_effect

I&#039;m not really familiar with the physics here, and won&#039;t dig into it. Efficiencies, pressures, ISP, cooling, etc. ... figuring this out and make it all work seems to be a major development effort to me. So you save on developing a low pressure liquid rocket engine, but at the price of having to develop (or at least integrate and test) both liquid and solid plus inventing a rocket exhaust driven ejector pump.

In some ways you combine the disadvantages of solid and liquid. Operationally you have to support both solid and liquid infrastructure. Throttling will be very limited, especially if you use the liquid fuel to cool the injector/ejector. Controlled turning off of the engine (e.g. for stage separation) is very hard, especially if you would like to have a reusable system. Restarting the engine in flight (e.g. for fly back or vertical landing) is even harder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good, for a crazy idea. It&#8217;s fun to think about. Some comments did confuse me. What I basically understand is: you are considering to replace the turbo pump with a solid rocket driven ejector pump.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ejector_pump" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ejector_pump</a><br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venturi_effect" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venturi_effect</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m not really familiar with the physics here, and won&#8217;t dig into it. Efficiencies, pressures, ISP, cooling, etc. &#8230; figuring this out and make it all work seems to be a major development effort to me. So you save on developing a low pressure liquid rocket engine, but at the price of having to develop (or at least integrate and test) both liquid and solid plus inventing a rocket exhaust driven ejector pump.</p>
<p>In some ways you combine the disadvantages of solid and liquid. Operationally you have to support both solid and liquid infrastructure. Throttling will be very limited, especially if you use the liquid fuel to cool the injector/ejector. Controlled turning off of the engine (e.g. for stage separation) is very hard, especially if you would like to have a reusable system. Restarting the engine in flight (e.g. for fly back or vertical landing) is even harder.</p>
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		<title>By: Habitat Hermit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Habitat Hermit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 01:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I like the concept too much to be objective but yes specific impulse should go down however system-specific impulse should leap upwards. Gut feeling is it should do so for the safety-conscious sugar fuels as well (although less of course).

You all probably know about this man but just in case you don&#039;t:
http://www.nakka-rocketry.net/
(Warning: one can easily spend a lot of time at that site).

I don&#039;t know him and he seems like a very busy person but maybe he&#039;ll have time to look at the idea and/or possibly recommend someone else for it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I like the concept too much to be objective but yes specific impulse should go down however system-specific impulse should leap upwards. Gut feeling is it should do so for the safety-conscious sugar fuels as well (although less of course).</p>
<p>You all probably know about this man but just in case you don&#8217;t:<br />
<a href="http://www.nakka-rocketry.net/" rel="nofollow">http://www.nakka-rocketry.net/</a><br />
(Warning: one can easily spend a lot of time at that site).</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know him and he seems like a very busy person but maybe he&#8217;ll have time to look at the idea and/or possibly recommend someone else for it?</p>
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		<title>By: john hare</title>
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		<dc:creator>john hare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 20:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well you admited to 318 crazy ideas and I had to try to beat that. So when another nut comes along, we can use the Jack Nicholson line, &quot;Sell crazy someplace else, we&#039;re all stocked up here.&quot;

If this can be made to work, I see solid pressure at 3-4 times that of the main combustion chamber and perhaps 10 times that of the liquid tanks. Hopefully that scales. I would see a progression from shop air to sugar rocket to higher amateur sizes before any realistic space craft engine development. If it is all workable, I would expect a steady progression in sizes used IF it is a trully cheap development process. 

The inefficiency is a given. The results might not be. If it takes 10 times as much enthalphy to pump the fluids as a normal pump, that just means that solid mass times temperature will have to be 10 times that of a rational pump. The extra mass and heat is used for reaction in the main thrust chamber and through the nozzle and is therefore not wasted. The inefficiency shows up as higher dead mass for the solid because it has to be larger and probably higher pressure to make up for the pump performance losses. Since I am suggesting pumping flow on the order of 20% of the total MDOT, it seems possible that the pumping ineficiencies will be overcome with the pure brute force of the solid component.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well you admited to 318 crazy ideas and I had to try to beat that. So when another nut comes along, we can use the Jack Nicholson line, &#8220;Sell crazy someplace else, we&#8217;re all stocked up here.&#8221;</p>
<p>If this can be made to work, I see solid pressure at 3-4 times that of the main combustion chamber and perhaps 10 times that of the liquid tanks. Hopefully that scales. I would see a progression from shop air to sugar rocket to higher amateur sizes before any realistic space craft engine development. If it is all workable, I would expect a steady progression in sizes used IF it is a trully cheap development process. </p>
<p>The inefficiency is a given. The results might not be. If it takes 10 times as much enthalphy to pump the fluids as a normal pump, that just means that solid mass times temperature will have to be 10 times that of a rational pump. The extra mass and heat is used for reaction in the main thrust chamber and through the nozzle and is therefore not wasted. The inefficiency shows up as higher dead mass for the solid because it has to be larger and probably higher pressure to make up for the pump performance losses. Since I am suggesting pumping flow on the order of 20% of the total MDOT, it seems possible that the pumping ineficiencies will be overcome with the pure brute force of the solid component.</p>
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		<title>By: John Bossard</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Bossard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crazy idea 319, indeed! The fecundity of your ideas is a marvel to behold, John. 
The use of the solid-rocket for ejector pumping is quite novel.  It will require some care to get a ejector/injector design that provides a net increase in total pressure and can survive the environment just downstream of the solid motor.  Perhaps using a fuel-rich solid can help control gas temperature.  Ejector pumping is quite inefficient, but perhaps the simplicity of the design more than makes up for that in terms overall system mass.   The hot combustion gases from the solid will definitely help the atomization and vaporization process for the liquids.  That makes the liquid injector simpler and less demanding on its performance.  
What is the anticipated liquid tank pressure and solid rocket motor Pc that you might anticipate?  
You can do a great deal of useful testing of possible injector/ejector designs using shop air from your compressor, plastic tubing, and PVC pipe fittings, and perhaps 2-liter PET bottles.  That&#039;s what I used on my vortex test apparatus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crazy idea 319, indeed! The fecundity of your ideas is a marvel to behold, John.<br />
The use of the solid-rocket for ejector pumping is quite novel.  It will require some care to get a ejector/injector design that provides a net increase in total pressure and can survive the environment just downstream of the solid motor.  Perhaps using a fuel-rich solid can help control gas temperature.  Ejector pumping is quite inefficient, but perhaps the simplicity of the design more than makes up for that in terms overall system mass.   The hot combustion gases from the solid will definitely help the atomization and vaporization process for the liquids.  That makes the liquid injector simpler and less demanding on its performance.<br />
What is the anticipated liquid tank pressure and solid rocket motor Pc that you might anticipate?<br />
You can do a great deal of useful testing of possible injector/ejector designs using shop air from your compressor, plastic tubing, and PVC pipe fittings, and perhaps 2-liter PET bottles.  That&#8217;s what I used on my vortex test apparatus.</p>
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		<title>By: john hare</title>
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		<dc:creator>john hare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 01:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The concept as I see it would have a solid component at around 150 atm, the lower chamber at about 50 atm, and the venturi/tanks at 10-15 atm. This would allow fairly low pressure liquid tanks to use an engine pressure in the 750 psi range for decent Isp. More important is the possible ease of development. A bit of freelance flow simulation work would give some interesting answers here.

I don&#039;t see how the lower chamber pressure could be higher than the higher chamber. That would prevent flow in the right direction. I think you need the nozzle after the liquid burn to bring it back up to supersonic.

It could be thought of as an afterburner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The concept as I see it would have a solid component at around 150 atm, the lower chamber at about 50 atm, and the venturi/tanks at 10-15 atm. This would allow fairly low pressure liquid tanks to use an engine pressure in the 750 psi range for decent Isp. More important is the possible ease of development. A bit of freelance flow simulation work would give some interesting answers here.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see how the lower chamber pressure could be higher than the higher chamber. That would prevent flow in the right direction. I think you need the nozzle after the liquid burn to bring it back up to supersonic.</p>
<p>It could be thought of as an afterburner.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Collins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 21:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the idea may have merit, but I am concerned about the back pressure generated by the secondary combustion events.  If I am understanding you correctly, the purpose of the down stream combustion of the liquid fuels is to further raise the chamber pressure, above and beyond that already generated by the solid motor exhaust.  If that is the case, then there will necessarily be a drop in fluid velocity in this chamber as it encounters the rise in pressure.  If the pressure increases significantly, it may reduce the flow velocity through the venturi, which will reduce the amount of propellant entrained in the flow.

It is possible that the whole process may be self-regulating.  If the chamber pressure grows enough to slow the incoming exhaust gas/fuel/oxidizer stream, then less fuel/oxidizer will be entrained by the exhaust gasses.  This will reduce the amount of downstream combustion, which in turn, reduces the chamber pressure.  If the system behaves in this manner, then it is likely that some form of dynamic equilibrium could be established.

As David Summers points out, if you can keep the flow supersonic past the fuel injectors, then there is no way for them to be affected by the combustion events down stream.    If you use a converging-diverging nozzle to force the primary exhaust gasses to go supersonic, then the rise in the secondary chamber pressure should not exceed 2-3 times the pressure of the gas as it leaves the nozzle&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Laval_nozzle#Conditions_for_operation&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;1&lt;/a&gt;.  Otherwise, the flow through the throat of the nozzle will not be able to attain supersonic flow speeds.

Here&#039;s a question; if the flow remains supersonic through the secondary combustion, then is there really a need for a second nozzle?  If not, then would this look more like a solid rocket with a thrust augmented nozzle?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the idea may have merit, but I am concerned about the back pressure generated by the secondary combustion events.  If I am understanding you correctly, the purpose of the down stream combustion of the liquid fuels is to further raise the chamber pressure, above and beyond that already generated by the solid motor exhaust.  If that is the case, then there will necessarily be a drop in fluid velocity in this chamber as it encounters the rise in pressure.  If the pressure increases significantly, it may reduce the flow velocity through the venturi, which will reduce the amount of propellant entrained in the flow.</p>
<p>It is possible that the whole process may be self-regulating.  If the chamber pressure grows enough to slow the incoming exhaust gas/fuel/oxidizer stream, then less fuel/oxidizer will be entrained by the exhaust gasses.  This will reduce the amount of downstream combustion, which in turn, reduces the chamber pressure.  If the system behaves in this manner, then it is likely that some form of dynamic equilibrium could be established.</p>
<p>As David Summers points out, if you can keep the flow supersonic past the fuel injectors, then there is no way for them to be affected by the combustion events down stream.    If you use a converging-diverging nozzle to force the primary exhaust gasses to go supersonic, then the rise in the secondary chamber pressure should not exceed 2-3 times the pressure of the gas as it leaves the nozzle<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Laval_nozzle#Conditions_for_operation" rel="nofollow">1</a>.  Otherwise, the flow through the throat of the nozzle will not be able to attain supersonic flow speeds.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a question; if the flow remains supersonic through the secondary combustion, then is there really a need for a second nozzle?  If not, then would this look more like a solid rocket with a thrust augmented nozzle?</p>
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		<title>By: jsuros</title>
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		<dc:creator>jsuros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your earlier comments show that controlling the feed pressure of the fuel/LOX into the venturi ejector/injectors allows throttling of the engine. As always, I&#039;m curious as to how far you could push this idea. Could you raise the pressure of the &quot;lower&quot; combustion chamber to a level near or above that of the solid gas generator by feeding in the propellants at high pressure?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your earlier comments show that controlling the feed pressure of the fuel/LOX into the venturi ejector/injectors allows throttling of the engine. As always, I&#8217;m curious as to how far you could push this idea. Could you raise the pressure of the &#8220;lower&#8221; combustion chamber to a level near or above that of the solid gas generator by feeding in the propellants at high pressure?</p>
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		<title>By: Roderick Reilly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roderick Reilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, can the combustion chamber be described as a kind afterburner for the liquid propellants?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, can the combustion chamber be described as a kind afterburner for the liquid propellants?</p>
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