Comments on: One of the Most Amazing 25 Minutes in (Recent) NASA History [Updated] http://selenianboondocks.com/2009/07/one-of-the-most-amazing-25-minutes-in-nasa-history/ Random Musings from the Warped Minds of Jonathan Goff, Ken Murphy, John Hare, and Kirk Sorensen Sat, 13 Mar 2010 21:26:08 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Jonathan Goff http://selenianboondocks.com/2009/07/one-of-the-most-amazing-25-minutes-in-nasa-history/comment-page-1/#comment-5358 Jonathan Goff Tue, 04 Aug 2009 03:01:42 +0000 http://selenianboondocks.com/2009/07/one-of-the-most-amazing-25-minutes-in-nasa-history/#comment-5358 Eli, The HSF website guys just got them up this afternoon. I'll update this post in a second with the url. ~Jon Eli,
The HSF website guys just got them up this afternoon. I’ll update this post in a second with the url.

~Jon

]]> By: Eli Bashevkin http://selenianboondocks.com/2009/07/one-of-the-most-amazing-25-minutes-in-nasa-history/comment-page-1/#comment-5357 Eli Bashevkin Tue, 04 Aug 2009 02:50:43 +0000 http://selenianboondocks.com/2009/07/one-of-the-most-amazing-25-minutes-in-nasa-history/#comment-5357 Does anyone have a link to this presentation? I'd love to see it but can't seem to find it anywhere online. Thanks! Does anyone have a link to this presentation? I’d love to see it but can’t seem to find it anywhere online. Thanks!

]]> By: Nathan Koren http://selenianboondocks.com/2009/07/one-of-the-most-amazing-25-minutes-in-nasa-history/comment-page-1/#comment-5323 Nathan Koren Fri, 31 Jul 2009 12:00:51 +0000 http://selenianboondocks.com/2009/07/one-of-the-most-amazing-25-minutes-in-nasa-history/#comment-5323 Aside from being a generally right-thinking fellow, Jeff Greason is also an amazing presenter. I recall one talk that gave a few years ago at Space Access -- about FAA certification processes -- which he somehow managed to make not only wildly informative but also absolutely riveting, with abundant drama and comedy and everything. It takes some mad presentation skills to pull that off. The commercial space industry is lucky to have him. Aside from being a generally right-thinking fellow, Jeff Greason is also an amazing presenter. I recall one talk that gave a few years ago at Space Access — about FAA certification processes — which he somehow managed to make not only wildly informative but also absolutely riveting, with abundant drama and comedy and everything. It takes some mad presentation skills to pull that off. The commercial space industry is lucky to have him.

]]> By: Jonathan Goff http://selenianboondocks.com/2009/07/one-of-the-most-amazing-25-minutes-in-nasa-history/comment-page-1/#comment-5319 Jonathan Goff Thu, 30 Jul 2009 21:32:41 +0000 http://selenianboondocks.com/2009/07/one-of-the-most-amazing-25-minutes-in-nasa-history/#comment-5319 Kert, I'll admit that I was being a bit hyperbolic (though it was meant to be obviously hyperbolic). Also, I agree that we're not out of the woods yet, or even close. As Mark points out, the committee report isn't out, Obama hasn't picked his plan, and Congress hasn't voted on it. But just getting to this point, where the giggle-factor for depots is finally starting to die is huge for me, personally. ~Jon Kert,
I’ll admit that I was being a bit hyperbolic (though it was meant to be obviously hyperbolic). Also, I agree that we’re not out of the woods yet, or even close. As Mark points out, the committee report isn’t out, Obama hasn’t picked his plan, and Congress hasn’t voted on it. But just getting to this point, where the giggle-factor for depots is finally starting to die is huge for me, personally.

~Jon

]]> By: kert http://selenianboondocks.com/2009/07/one-of-the-most-amazing-25-minutes-in-nasa-history/comment-page-1/#comment-5318 kert Thu, 30 Jul 2009 21:28:43 +0000 http://selenianboondocks.com/2009/07/one-of-the-most-amazing-25-minutes-in-nasa-history/#comment-5318 Most amazing ? Im getting a deja vu. It seems to me that we already were at this point: http://www.nasa.gov/missions/solarsystem/vision_concepts.html In 2004, if memory serves ? Look at Schafer or t/Space. And judging by other actions of this administration, regardless of the options outlined by commitee, im not sure they'll pick anything but most socialist way of doing things. Most amazing ? Im getting a deja vu. It seems to me that we already were at this point:
http://www.nasa.gov/missions/solarsystem/vision_concepts.html
In 2004, if memory serves ?

Look at Schafer or t/Space. And judging by other actions of this administration, regardless of the options outlined by commitee, im not sure they’ll pick anything but most socialist way of doing things.

]]> By: Jonathan Goff http://selenianboondocks.com/2009/07/one-of-the-most-amazing-25-minutes-in-nasa-history/comment-page-1/#comment-5317 Jonathan Goff Thu, 30 Jul 2009 21:03:36 +0000 http://selenianboondocks.com/2009/07/one-of-the-most-amazing-25-minutes-in-nasa-history/#comment-5317 Rand, I was worried about attracting political opposition to the concept before the committee had a chance to review it. In light of how things went today, however, I decided to post it in full: http://selenianboondocks.com/2009/07/depot-centric-human-spaceflight/ Rand,
I was worried about attracting political opposition to the concept before the committee had a chance to review it. In light of how things went today, however, I decided to post it in full:

http://selenianboondocks.com/2009/07/depot-centric-human-spaceflight/

]]> By: Rand Simberg http://selenianboondocks.com/2009/07/one-of-the-most-amazing-25-minutes-in-nasa-history/comment-page-1/#comment-5314 Rand Simberg Thu, 30 Jul 2009 20:31:32 +0000 http://selenianboondocks.com/2009/07/one-of-the-most-amazing-25-minutes-in-nasa-history/#comment-5314 Jon, is your propellant depot white paper on line? If not, why not? I'm thinking about writing a piece for Pajamas Media on today's presentation, and the background that led up to it, and it would be nice to be able to link it. Jon, is your propellant depot white paper on line? If not, why not? I’m thinking about writing a piece for Pajamas Media on today’s presentation, and the background that led up to it, and it would be nice to be able to link it.

]]> By: MG http://selenianboondocks.com/2009/07/one-of-the-most-amazing-25-minutes-in-nasa-history/comment-page-1/#comment-5312 MG Thu, 30 Jul 2009 17:59:50 +0000 http://selenianboondocks.com/2009/07/one-of-the-most-amazing-25-minutes-in-nasa-history/#comment-5312 I think a key to a successful national space program is that it be "national", as opposed to "State". States tend to limit the options that members and subgroups of the nation can initiate. Consequently, if the State sees a national space program as removing the State from central power, it will oppose it. Nonetheless, the philosophical walls have been formally breached in public forum, and that is significant. Only time will tell whether that breach has the influence of Pickett's limit of advance, or of MacArthur's Inchon landings. I think a key to a successful national space program is that it be “national”, as opposed to “State”. States tend to limit the options that members and subgroups of the nation can initiate.

Consequently, if the State sees a national space program as removing the State from central power, it will oppose it.

Nonetheless, the philosophical walls have been formally breached in public forum, and that is significant. Only time will tell whether that breach has the influence of Pickett’s limit of advance, or of MacArthur’s Inchon landings.

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