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		<title>By: The Moon Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Lunar property rigths</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Moon Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Lunar property rigths</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] Selenian Boondocks also discuss the issue in their blog post. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: tankmodeler</title>
		<link>http://selenianboondocks.com/2007/07/i-wish-that-were-the-only-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-2377</link>
		<dc:creator>tankmodeler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I certainly hope you&#039;re right, Jon, but I tend towards agreeing that it&#039;s another element pushing investment away from lunar resource exploitation. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Certainly it has elements of chicken &amp; egg. If there were reasonably cheap avenues to the Moon right now, maybe it wouldn&#039;t matter. Without the existing transportation methods, it may be limiting money funding the development of those methods.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Like most of these things, I suspect we&#039;ll never know the real reasons. Historians can figure it out for Masters thesis in 50 years.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I certainly hope you&#8217;re right, Jon, but I tend towards agreeing that it&#8217;s another element pushing investment away from lunar resource exploitation. </p>
<p>Certainly it has elements of chicken &#038; egg. If there were reasonably cheap avenues to the Moon right now, maybe it wouldn&#8217;t matter. Without the existing transportation methods, it may be limiting money funding the development of those methods.</p>
<p>Like most of these things, I suspect we&#8217;ll never know the real reasons. Historians can figure it out for Masters thesis in 50 years.</p>
<p>I hope.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Goff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Goff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 23:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Habitat Hermit,&lt;br/&gt;Sorry for misattributing that.  Brain fart.  I fixed the post.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Josh, Ferris,&lt;br/&gt;Exactly.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;~Jon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Habitat Hermit,<br />Sorry for misattributing that.  Brain fart.  I fixed the post.</p>
<p>Josh, Ferris,<br />Exactly.</p>
<p>~Jon</p>
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		<title>By: Habitat Hermit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Habitat Hermit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 23:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hehe you worded it so politely and nicely I almost don&#039;t want to point out it was Tankmodeler saying that and not me ^_^&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Your reasoning is correct in my opinon and I think I&#039;ve argued something similar earlier here or possibly elsewhere.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Thus until the first self-sustainable non-terrestrial population appears (but to various degrees even after that) I don&#039;t think the question is one of property rights or not but rather about many possible various forms and degrees of property including what I would call &quot;sovereign property&quot;.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I see it as tradeoffs and compromises (or not) between an owner (private individual, company, or otherwise) and a government (or several) in relation to two main issues of ownership:&lt;br/&gt;- controlling (defending, manouvering if applicable, etc.) the property &quot;up there&quot;.&lt;br/&gt;- being free from government interference to do so from &quot;down here&quot; (and at some point in the future from interference &quot;up there&quot; as well).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;There are lots of working combinations of answers and solutions to those two main issues and all other issues which relate to/stem from them.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As an example among a host of possibilities we might see owners &quot;flagging out&quot;* asteroids they wish to claim as sovereign property to legal entities in nations allowing such property to exist.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;An internationally agreed upon set of space property rules would in all likelihood severly limit the scope and diversity of solutions. I&#039;m afraid it wouldn&#039;t be beneficial.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;* this might be a purely norwegian expression, it means adopting a flag of convenience as is common within maritime shipping.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hehe you worded it so politely and nicely I almost don&#8217;t want to point out it was Tankmodeler saying that and not me ^_^</p>
<p>Your reasoning is correct in my opinon and I think I&#8217;ve argued something similar earlier here or possibly elsewhere.</p>
<p>Thus until the first self-sustainable non-terrestrial population appears (but to various degrees even after that) I don&#8217;t think the question is one of property rights or not but rather about many possible various forms and degrees of property including what I would call &#8220;sovereign property&#8221;.</p>
<p>I see it as tradeoffs and compromises (or not) between an owner (private individual, company, or otherwise) and a government (or several) in relation to two main issues of ownership:<br />- controlling (defending, manouvering if applicable, etc.) the property &#8220;up there&#8221;.<br />- being free from government interference to do so from &#8220;down here&#8221; (and at some point in the future from interference &#8220;up there&#8221; as well).</p>
<p>There are lots of working combinations of answers and solutions to those two main issues and all other issues which relate to/stem from them.</p>
<p>As an example among a host of possibilities we might see owners &#8220;flagging out&#8221;* asteroids they wish to claim as sovereign property to legal entities in nations allowing such property to exist.</p>
<p>An internationally agreed upon set of space property rules would in all likelihood severly limit the scope and diversity of solutions. I&#8217;m afraid it wouldn&#8217;t be beneficial.</p>
<p>* this might be a purely norwegian expression, it means adopting a flag of convenience as is common within maritime shipping.</p>
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		<title>By: Ferris Valyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ferris Valyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 22:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tend to agree with you on one level.  However, I do think it helps to drive investment further away from the industry, although I question how much investment difference it would make if it was all sorted out</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to agree with you on one level.  However, I do think it helps to drive investment further away from the industry, although I question how much investment difference it would make if it was all sorted out</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 19:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My take on it is that the legality will be sorted out once something meaningful is being done in space - regardless of location (Moon, mars, GEO spectrum, etc). &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Getting a mining/extraction system working and on the moon is much more challenging than the little bit of paperwork needed to claim the fruits of that labor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My take on it is that the legality will be sorted out once something meaningful is being done in space &#8211; regardless of location (Moon, mars, GEO spectrum, etc). </p>
<p>Getting a mining/extraction system working and on the moon is much more challenging than the little bit of paperwork needed to claim the fruits of that labor.</p>
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